1 00:00:22,580 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:25,439 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:32,519 --> 00:00:29,529 episode number 257 for the 22nd of sep 4 00:00:35,729 --> 00:00:32,529 tember 2013 Richard Saunders here with 5 00:00:38,910 --> 00:00:35,739 you from Sydney Australia on this week's 6 00:00:44,189 --> 00:00:38,920 show I speak to a scientist who wants to 7 00:00:46,979 --> 00:00:44,199 die on Mars well he wants to go to Mars 8 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:46,989 and part of the deal is if you go to 9 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:50,320 Mars you don't come back hmm I'm going 10 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:53,170 to be speaking to a friend of mine besh 11 00:00:59,790 --> 00:00:56,410 sub is currently in working in 12 00:01:04,829 --> 00:00:59,800 Switzerland about his our hope and goal 13 00:01:06,779 --> 00:01:04,839 to travel to Mars on a one-way trip what 14 00:01:08,749 --> 00:01:06,789 an interesting interesting thing to do 15 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:08,759 that's coming up at the top of the show 16 00:01:12,180 --> 00:01:11,110 following that it's a week inside so 17 00:01:17,219 --> 00:01:12,190 that good friends from the Royal 18 00:01:21,810 --> 00:01:17,229 Institution of Australia w WR I a u.s. 19 00:01:24,510 --> 00:01:21,820 or GA you and this week's week in 20 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:24,520 science is read by dr. Paul Willis and 21 00:01:28,350 --> 00:01:26,410 I'm delighted to say I've just learned 22 00:01:31,199 --> 00:01:28,360 that dr. Paul bullets will be attending 23 00:01:35,460 --> 00:01:31,209 and speaking at the National skeptics 24 00:01:37,740 --> 00:01:35,470 convention in November in Canberra and 25 00:01:41,219 --> 00:01:37,750 you've only got about a week left before 26 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:41,229 the early bird tickets are disappear if 27 00:01:44,790 --> 00:01:42,610 you want to come to the National 28 00:01:47,219 --> 00:01:44,800 skeptics convention in Canberra in 29 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:47,229 November here dr. Paul Willis and many 30 00:01:53,070 --> 00:01:49,690 other fine people run to national 31 00:01:55,830 --> 00:01:53,080 skeptics convention org now is the time 32 00:01:58,109 --> 00:01:55,840 to book those tickets following a week 33 00:02:00,389 --> 00:01:58,119 in science it's Maynard spooky action 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:00,399 Maynard will also be at the National 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:02,050 skeptics convention he's trying to find 36 00:02:09,990 --> 00:02:05,170 out some interesting and fun things to 37 00:02:12,330 --> 00:02:10,000 do sort of extra special extracurricular 38 00:02:14,699 --> 00:02:12,340 you might say activities anyway more 39 00:02:16,860 --> 00:02:14,709 about that soon but Maynard's back with 40 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:16,870 spooky action with a follow-up interview 41 00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:19,209 with dr. Pamela gay who was only in 42 00:02:24,150 --> 00:02:22,360 Sydney last weekend now this was 43 00:02:26,910 --> 00:02:24,160 recorded at a special skeptics in the 44 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:26,920 pub and after may not speaks to Pamela 45 00:02:31,110 --> 00:02:28,690 he's going to be speaking to some people 46 00:02:33,750 --> 00:02:31,120 at the pub and the round off the show 47 00:02:34,750 --> 00:02:33,760 it's the horoscope your horoscope for 48 00:02:39,069 --> 00:02:34,760 September 49 00:02:41,860 --> 00:02:39,079 with our astrologer dr. do Fe keV yeah 50 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:41,870 can't wait for that before we start the 51 00:02:45,819 --> 00:02:43,250 show I must see how much I've been 52 00:02:49,270 --> 00:02:45,829 enjoying watching the Curiosity show 53 00:02:52,210 --> 00:02:49,280 dvds if you go to curiosity show calm 54 00:02:54,580 --> 00:02:52,220 day you and click the youtube link well 55 00:02:57,610 --> 00:02:54,590 such wonderful memories from the the 56 00:03:01,289 --> 00:02:57,620 1980s how to do things how to make 57 00:03:04,509 --> 00:03:01,299 things and my nephews and nieces are now 58 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:04,519 absolutely enjoying learning so much 59 00:03:10,690 --> 00:03:06,769 from the curiosity show it's fantastic 60 00:03:12,699 --> 00:03:10,700 if you've got young children you could 61 00:03:14,949 --> 00:03:12,709 do a lot worse than visiting curiosity 62 00:03:17,979 --> 00:03:14,959 show calm today you learn how to make 63 00:03:20,170 --> 00:03:17,989 things how things work really good stuff 64 00:03:23,559 --> 00:03:20,180 but for now I'm going to run downstairs 65 00:03:26,220 --> 00:03:23,569 open up the pantry grab a couple of mums 66 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:26,230 famous peanut butter cookies oh yeah 67 00:03:49,270 --> 00:03:29,810 well I'm doing that I hope you enjoy the 68 00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:52,520 now you may have once thought to 69 00:03:56,230 --> 00:03:54,000 yourself wouldn't it be nice to visit 70 00:03:58,850 --> 00:03:56,240 another planet just like in the movies 71 00:04:01,400 --> 00:03:58,860 didn't jump into a spaceship and visit 72 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:01,410 another planet come home well i'm going 73 00:04:06,140 --> 00:04:02,910 to talking to a man in the moment who 74 00:04:09,590 --> 00:04:06,150 has the same sort of dream except forget 75 00:04:11,810 --> 00:04:09,600 about that the coming home part see i'm 76 00:04:14,540 --> 00:04:11,820 talking to a man now who wants to go to 77 00:04:17,420 --> 00:04:14,550 Mars which may be a possibility on the 78 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:17,430 line all the way from Switzerland is a 79 00:04:22,370 --> 00:04:19,770 friend of mine who I met in the Czech 80 00:04:26,390 --> 00:04:22,380 Republic earlier in the year bish sharp 81 00:04:27,860 --> 00:04:26,400 hello Besh Irish area I'm not doing too 82 00:04:31,490 --> 00:04:27,870 badly at the moment I mean I'm 83 00:04:34,580 --> 00:04:31,500 earthbound I'll put it that way before 84 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:34,590 we get on to your extraordinary desire 85 00:04:38,540 --> 00:04:37,170 to go to another planet I was very happy 86 00:04:39,950 --> 00:04:38,550 to meet you earlier in the year in the 87 00:04:44,060 --> 00:04:39,960 Czech Republic's we were both together 88 00:04:47,090 --> 00:04:44,070 the remotes film festival where we were 89 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:47,100 on the international jury what what do 90 00:04:54,140 --> 00:04:49,800 you do in real life we might say I'm a 91 00:04:55,730 --> 00:04:54,150 neuroscientist I primarily work on 92 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:55,740 investigating molecules and brain 93 00:05:00,740 --> 00:04:57,810 regions that underlie memory formation 94 00:05:03,410 --> 00:05:00,750 as well as the drive to explore and 95 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:03,420 learn and I also started to get into 96 00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:05,880 research which examines how brains 97 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:09,120 respond differentially distress so what 98 00:05:14,270 --> 00:05:12,330 is it about some people for example that 99 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:14,280 would respond to stress in a very 100 00:05:18,650 --> 00:05:17,010 negative way and be impacted it impacted 101 00:05:21,410 --> 00:05:18,660 by stress such that they have problems 102 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:21,420 in their life afterwards whereas other 103 00:05:25,220 --> 00:05:23,370 people will respond to stress in very 104 00:05:27,980 --> 00:05:25,230 positive ways and grow from it and in 105 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:27,990 fact thrive during stressful experiences 106 00:05:33,050 --> 00:05:29,940 more so than when they are not being 107 00:05:38,150 --> 00:05:33,060 challenged when an interesting field of 108 00:05:40,460 --> 00:05:38,160 research and I guess it really does know 109 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:40,470 I think about it it might tie in very 110 00:05:46,730 --> 00:05:43,110 well with what you're hoping to achieve 111 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:46,740 and this is to be one of the I guess 112 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:48,240 you'd say one of the volunteers to 113 00:05:51,350 --> 00:05:48,900 travel 114 00:05:54,710 --> 00:05:51,360 Mazz how on earth did you get interested 115 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:54,720 in this it actually stems from an 116 00:05:59,510 --> 00:05:57,690 evening or a friend and I were lying on 117 00:06:02,870 --> 00:05:59,520 the beach in the summer time this was in 118 00:06:05,510 --> 00:06:02,880 Toronto or nearby Toronto and we were 119 00:06:07,790 --> 00:06:05,520 lying down on the sand and falling 120 00:06:09,170 --> 00:06:07,800 asleep under the stars he suggested to 121 00:06:10,909 --> 00:06:09,180 me at one point x we're staring up at 122 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:10,919 the stars and watching and all things go 123 00:06:15,110 --> 00:06:13,289 by and so forth and he's like so you 124 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:15,120 might be a good candidate to join the 125 00:06:20,090 --> 00:06:17,490 space program become an astronaut and I 126 00:06:21,770 --> 00:06:20,100 had never really given much thought to 127 00:06:25,490 --> 00:06:21,780 being an astronaut as a career option 128 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:25,500 and clearly virtually every child dreams 129 00:06:30,260 --> 00:06:26,910 about the possibility of going up into 130 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:30,270 space now that we know that this is not 131 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:33,120 routine but it is certainly doable by 132 00:06:37,070 --> 00:06:36,090 many different nations but but I haven't 133 00:06:38,990 --> 00:06:37,080 really considered it as a career 134 00:06:40,610 --> 00:06:39,000 opportunity until I was doing my PhD in 135 00:06:42,170 --> 00:06:40,620 neuroscience and I had I was doing 136 00:06:43,790 --> 00:06:42,180 triathlons at the time and I was quite 137 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:43,800 fit and and I had done a lot of 138 00:06:47,420 --> 00:06:45,449 experiences and rock climbing and all 139 00:06:48,589 --> 00:06:47,430 this stuff and I thought about it I was 140 00:06:51,020 --> 00:06:48,599 like yeah maybe they might be a 141 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:51,030 reasonable candidate but that kind of 142 00:06:53,990 --> 00:06:52,289 got me thinking about the idea of going 143 00:06:58,730 --> 00:06:54,000 into space and when I started to put a 144 00:07:00,290 --> 00:06:58,740 personal feel towards it and think of it 145 00:07:03,290 --> 00:07:00,300 as a career option I was like why would 146 00:07:05,689 --> 00:07:03,300 I do that and and I thought to myself 147 00:07:07,339 --> 00:07:05,699 you know my research I think is actually 148 00:07:10,159 --> 00:07:07,349 more important for the planet than me 149 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:10,169 going up and floating around in a little 150 00:07:14,170 --> 00:07:12,060 too looking around the earth I didn't 151 00:07:16,730 --> 00:07:14,180 really see what was what was so 152 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:16,740 important about it until I thought about 153 00:07:22,730 --> 00:07:20,310 how fragile our planet really is in 154 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:22,740 terms of the cosmos in the universe now 155 00:07:29,140 --> 00:07:25,130 I thought okay well if I were to go to 156 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:29,150 space I would only do so in order to 157 00:07:35,029 --> 00:07:32,130 increase the chance of life survival as 158 00:07:36,170 --> 00:07:35,039 in inhabit another planet but at that 159 00:07:38,210 --> 00:07:36,180 time I didn't really know that was 160 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:38,220 really Oscar getting interested in the 161 00:07:41,629 --> 00:07:39,870 idea and then a friend of mine gave me 162 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:41,639 this book called the case for Mars which 163 00:07:46,339 --> 00:07:43,889 is written by Robert Zubrin and it's a 164 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:46,349 really fantastic book that came out a 165 00:07:53,149 --> 00:07:51,210 decade ago or so and it describes not 166 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:53,159 only why we would want to go to Mars and 167 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:55,530 become a multiplanetary species and have 168 00:07:59,390 --> 00:07:57,330 life distributed over to plan is to 169 00:08:02,370 --> 00:07:59,400 increase our chances of survival but it 170 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:02,380 also describes how to do it in very 171 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:05,290 very practical terms using technology 172 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:07,770 which has existed since the Apollo era 173 00:08:15,810 --> 00:08:12,490 so so so dr. Zuber does a really good 174 00:08:17,250 --> 00:08:15,820 job of making it seem doable and he 175 00:08:19,530 --> 00:08:17,260 breaks down everything in terms of the 176 00:08:21,450 --> 00:08:19,540 cost of going there and coming back and 177 00:08:23,370 --> 00:08:21,460 setting up a base and exactly Dodger I 178 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:23,380 read his book with great great interest 179 00:08:28,860 --> 00:08:26,050 and then I was convinced I like this can 180 00:08:31,770 --> 00:08:28,870 be done and this is more important than 181 00:08:34,290 --> 00:08:31,780 my research and so I should shift 182 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:34,300 efforts while not entirely theaters but 183 00:08:39,060 --> 00:08:35,530 I should I should really keep this in 184 00:08:42,330 --> 00:08:39,070 mind as something for me to do as a 185 00:08:45,810 --> 00:08:42,340 career option now at that time there was 186 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:45,820 no projects that had any sort of 187 00:08:50,340 --> 00:08:48,580 timeline that made them realistic in 188 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:50,350 terms of a project that would actually 189 00:08:56,310 --> 00:08:53,710 take people to Mars and then last year 190 00:08:58,440 --> 00:08:56,320 one such project was announced and so I 191 00:09:00,120 --> 00:08:58,450 became quite interested in that have 192 00:09:03,420 --> 00:09:00,130 applied like like two hundred thousand 193 00:09:05,970 --> 00:09:03,430 other people now I've seen your your 194 00:09:08,370 --> 00:09:05,980 application and what I might do now is 195 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:08,380 for our audience I'd is I'll played the 196 00:09:13,950 --> 00:09:11,050 audio from your video application why 197 00:09:16,110 --> 00:09:13,960 you'd like to go to Mars if we believe 198 00:09:18,390 --> 00:09:16,120 that life is good and let the universe 199 00:09:20,820 --> 00:09:18,400 and the soul of humanity are beautiful 200 00:09:23,220 --> 00:09:20,830 then we have a responsibility to blast 201 00:09:25,830 --> 00:09:23,230 off and settle Mars in order to foster 202 00:09:28,590 --> 00:09:25,840 these things playful would best describe 203 00:09:30,540 --> 00:09:28,600 my sense of humor and I tend to laugh a 204 00:09:31,860 --> 00:09:30,550 lot and this contributes to me being 205 00:09:34,020 --> 00:09:31,870 perfectly suited for the Mars one 206 00:09:37,350 --> 00:09:34,030 mission because it facilitates my 207 00:09:39,180 --> 00:09:37,360 abilities to adapt and indoor living on 208 00:09:40,860 --> 00:09:39,190 Mars is something that I have dreamed of 209 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:40,870 and had been preparing to do for a 210 00:09:45,660 --> 00:09:43,690 decade after traversing various terrains 211 00:09:47,580 --> 00:09:45,670 and immersing myself and distinct 212 00:09:50,130 --> 00:09:47,590 earthly cultures I have emerged the 213 00:09:52,220 --> 00:09:50,140 skilled scientist a effective 214 00:09:55,230 --> 00:09:52,230 communicator a 215 00:09:58,380 --> 00:09:55,240 trusting team player physically and 216 00:10:00,600 --> 00:09:58,390 mentally fit and ready to take on the 217 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:00,610 challenging adventure of making a new 218 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:04,450 home on Mars whenever it comes from me 219 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:06,790 the opportunity to live on Mars I found 220 00:10:12,930 --> 00:10:09,370 out about this program called Mars one 221 00:10:16,230 --> 00:10:12,940 day to 167 and so on I've been making 222 00:10:18,450 --> 00:10:16,240 videos every day 4 430 two days since I 223 00:10:21,269 --> 00:10:18,460 found out about Mars one to document my 224 00:10:24,390 --> 00:10:21,279 dedication because I will go in a 225 00:10:26,790 --> 00:10:24,400 heartbeat so that was your application 226 00:10:28,350 --> 00:10:26,800 bish but you say there's a lot about the 227 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:28,360 people and I've noticed on the website 228 00:10:32,970 --> 00:10:30,610 to a lot of other people out there who 229 00:10:39,620 --> 00:10:32,980 want to go to Mars do you think you've 230 00:10:42,690 --> 00:10:39,630 got the edge on the others I don't know 231 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:42,700 certainly I think I'm a min up so 232 00:10:47,970 --> 00:10:46,089 certainly I think I'm able to make the 233 00:10:51,060 --> 00:10:47,980 mission succeed I think I'm the right 234 00:10:53,370 --> 00:10:51,070 type of person that gave the right skill 235 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:53,380 set I gave the right biological build 236 00:11:00,420 --> 00:10:57,610 and mental build and to actually pull 237 00:11:02,970 --> 00:11:00,430 this off and I have been preparing for 238 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:02,980 it thinking about it for a decade or so 239 00:11:07,350 --> 00:11:06,250 that and that means that I really 240 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:07,360 thought about all the things that I'll 241 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:09,130 leave behind and sacrifices i will make 242 00:11:12,660 --> 00:11:11,110 and so forth and I've been very real 243 00:11:14,460 --> 00:11:12,670 about it with my family and so forth 244 00:11:16,110 --> 00:11:14,470 it's not just something that I thought 245 00:11:19,769 --> 00:11:16,120 of recently and I'm like man that would 246 00:11:22,050 --> 00:11:19,779 be cool but on top of that i really am 247 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:22,060 the kind of person that likes to be 248 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:23,770 outside of my comfort zone so you can 249 00:11:27,690 --> 00:11:25,690 see by my comfort zone is somewhat 250 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:27,700 limited this in that in that regard and 251 00:11:33,030 --> 00:11:30,010 i do perform better when what I've 252 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:33,040 challenged it's just just kind of who I 253 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:35,529 am and I think that if I examine all the 254 00:11:38,340 --> 00:11:36,910 different career options that I have you 255 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:38,350 know to be an athlete to be a scientist 256 00:11:44,550 --> 00:11:41,290 be settler on Mars I think that it's 257 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:44,560 actually most suited for my for for who 258 00:11:52,230 --> 00:11:47,890 I am and for that reason it makes sense 259 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:52,240 that I apply am I the only person who 260 00:11:57,329 --> 00:11:54,370 could be described like this I don't 261 00:11:58,860 --> 00:11:57,339 think so I I had never met anybody that 262 00:12:00,690 --> 00:11:58,870 I thought would be a good candidate to 263 00:12:02,819 --> 00:12:00,700 go to Mars that wanted to go to Mars and 264 00:12:04,790 --> 00:12:02,829 I still haven't met any but I've seen 265 00:12:06,530 --> 00:12:04,800 some of the other 266 00:12:09,410 --> 00:12:06,540 Kent's and their profiles and so forth 267 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:09,420 and I certainly believe that out of the 268 00:12:15,470 --> 00:12:11,370 200,000 people that are applying there 269 00:12:19,070 --> 00:12:15,480 must be at least another 100 or 1,000 or 270 00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:19,080 more like me and and so I'm quite 271 00:12:24,290 --> 00:12:21,600 confident they can find suitable people 272 00:12:27,470 --> 00:12:24,300 to go to Mars and whether or not I'm 273 00:12:29,180 --> 00:12:27,480 part of that is is a secondary point 274 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:29,190 really the really important thing is 275 00:12:33,350 --> 00:12:31,529 that we do go I think I would be able to 276 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:33,360 pull it off but if I don't go at least 277 00:12:38,780 --> 00:12:35,640 we went and then we start of this that's 278 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:38,790 that's far more important and because I 279 00:12:42,710 --> 00:12:40,110 can do things here on earth and I can 280 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:42,720 live a Wonderful Life I mean I'm quite 281 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:47,690 fond of her affection I would like to 282 00:12:53,810 --> 00:12:50,970 encourage people to go to the Mars one 283 00:12:56,060 --> 00:12:53,820 website and take a look at type of 284 00:12:57,500 --> 00:12:56,070 people who've applied some of them might 285 00:12:59,240 --> 00:12:57,510 appear to be a little bit Coco but 286 00:13:01,970 --> 00:12:59,250 others are extremely serious and 287 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:01,980 prepared to undertake this clinician to 288 00:13:06,290 --> 00:13:03,930 look at the timeline that they put in 289 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:06,300 and potentially even become a supporter 290 00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:08,130 in terms of donations or purchase some 291 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:11,279 merchandise or get in contact with them 292 00:13:14,780 --> 00:13:13,110 to see this way you can collaborate they 293 00:13:17,090 --> 00:13:14,790 really like collaborating with different 294 00:13:19,460 --> 00:13:17,100 educational institutions I mean in 295 00:13:22,910 --> 00:13:19,470 general just just think about what this 296 00:13:26,449 --> 00:13:22,920 means for not just the human race but 297 00:13:29,180 --> 00:13:26,459 all of life on Earth and how this puts 298 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:29,190 us into context of the entire galaxy and 299 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:30,810 the universe it's really truly something 300 00:13:34,250 --> 00:13:32,850 which is quite extraordinary I think 301 00:13:38,750 --> 00:13:34,260 that's a wonderful idea and what's the 302 00:13:44,110 --> 00:13:38,760 website people should visit ma RS dash 0 303 00:13:47,810 --> 00:13:44,120 n e.com so that's Mars Dashiell hyphen 304 00:13:49,819 --> 00:13:47,820 1.com um I'm an interesting thing 305 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:49,829 happened here in Sydney Australia a few 306 00:13:56,269 --> 00:13:53,810 years ago we had a huge red dust storm 307 00:14:00,380 --> 00:13:56,279 dust in the outback because we had a 308 00:14:03,850 --> 00:14:00,390 very dry spell blue blue over Sydney and 309 00:14:07,850 --> 00:14:03,860 coated Sydney with this absolutely 310 00:14:10,759 --> 00:14:07,860 strange eerie red dust the sky was red 311 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:10,769 the atmosphere was read the Sun was 312 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:12,810 looking read through the haze and I 313 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:14,910 looked out on this strange world no you 314 00:14:18,380 --> 00:14:16,649 crossed my mind I wonder if I could 315 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:18,390 tolerate this day after day 316 00:14:22,580 --> 00:14:20,670 today which is what you'd be facing of 317 00:14:27,740 --> 00:14:22,590 course on Mars because your outlook 318 00:14:29,510 --> 00:14:27,750 would be rather rum red yeah Mars 319 00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:29,520 definitely is red that's their oxide of 320 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:32,880 course but because the atmosphere is so 321 00:14:38,090 --> 00:14:36,720 thin you need a hugely strong wind I 322 00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:38,100 mean I'm liking hundreds of kilometers 323 00:14:42,770 --> 00:14:40,560 an hour in order to lift that dust in 324 00:14:45,860 --> 00:14:42,780 any meaningful way and send spread it 325 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:45,870 around so even though eventually storms 326 00:14:49,340 --> 00:14:47,940 do formless while they that they form on 327 00:14:52,910 --> 00:14:49,350 Mars such that the whole place is 328 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:52,920 encompassed in a cloud it only really 329 00:14:59,540 --> 00:14:57,690 looks fake and foggy from orbit or from 330 00:15:03,070 --> 00:14:59,550 an astronomer who's pointing a telescope 331 00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:03,080 to earth on the surface of Mars 332 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:06,510 inhabitants there wouldn't be nearly as 333 00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:07,950 affected the visibility wouldn't be all 334 00:15:11,180 --> 00:15:09,600 that much all that affected because 335 00:15:14,630 --> 00:15:11,190 atmosphere so thin it's difficult to 336 00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:14,640 pick up the dust but it would be in many 337 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:17,910 ways leak compared to earth right I mean 338 00:15:23,420 --> 00:15:21,450 Mars has wonderful craters and valleys 339 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:23,430 and mountains and deserts and all these 340 00:15:29,750 --> 00:15:26,370 different formations similar to earth 341 00:15:32,210 --> 00:15:29,760 but it does not have life doesn't have 342 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:32,220 waterfalls it doesn't have it doesn't 343 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:34,170 have the same variety of cloud 344 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:38,310 formations even so in some ways that it 345 00:15:44,630 --> 00:15:41,370 will be a little bit bleak but I don't 346 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:44,640 think it will be all that red and dusty 347 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:45,930 all the time I don't think that would be 348 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:48,810 too much of a problem well though we do 349 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:50,370 hear about it's interesting you should 350 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:52,650 say that the winds on Mars would have to 351 00:15:58,880 --> 00:15:55,770 be quite strong we do see evidence from 352 00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:58,890 the rover's of the small tornadoes that 353 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:00,720 go across the surface of Mars are 354 00:16:05,930 --> 00:16:04,530 periodically indeed I mean yeah Mars in 355 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:05,940 many ways you know it's a smaller planet 356 00:16:12,050 --> 00:16:10,680 has much much more extreme geological 357 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:12,060 features as well as weather weather 358 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:14,490 patterns and whether characteristics so 359 00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:16,770 I mean on earth 100 kilometer or wind 360 00:16:21,650 --> 00:16:18,480 it's like that's that's serious right 361 00:16:24,530 --> 00:16:21,660 you know done on Mars it's not that it's 362 00:16:26,270 --> 00:16:24,540 actually not that serious but if they go 363 00:16:28,340 --> 00:16:26,280 much higher you can get a 500 club 364 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:28,350 Maryland probably at the surface of Mars 365 00:16:32,249 --> 00:16:30,210 at some point in time although it would 366 00:16:34,650 --> 00:16:32,259 only feel like a 52 on Maryland 367 00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:34,660 it's not like that it boggles the mind 368 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:36,910 just to think about it I mean there are 369 00:16:42,059 --> 00:16:38,649 so many things to take into 370 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:42,069 consideration assuming one gets through 371 00:16:47,429 --> 00:16:44,649 the selection process then you're facing 372 00:16:50,729 --> 00:16:47,439 quite a long space voyage even before 373 00:16:53,939 --> 00:16:50,739 you get anywhere near Mars yeah it seems 374 00:16:58,590 --> 00:16:53,949 like Mars one has chosen a transit of 375 00:16:59,999 --> 00:16:58,600 210 days now the lowest energy transfer 376 00:17:01,619 --> 00:17:00,009 that you can do so this is using the 377 00:17:06,090 --> 00:17:01,629 least amount of fuel which means the 378 00:17:08,370 --> 00:17:06,100 least expensive is what's called a hog 379 00:17:12,439 --> 00:17:08,380 man transfer I think it's also called a 380 00:17:16,199 --> 00:17:12,449 low energy transfer but that takes about 381 00:17:18,899 --> 00:17:16,209 260 days I think 258 or something like 382 00:17:21,149 --> 00:17:18,909 that if you were to go with a lot of 383 00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:21,159 fuel you could also do this a similar 384 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:23,679 type of transfer in about 150 days and 385 00:17:27,090 --> 00:17:25,630 anywhere between hundred and fifty and 386 00:17:31,649 --> 00:17:27,100 two hundred sixty depends on how much 387 00:17:34,379 --> 00:17:31,659 fuel you use 210 day one I think is a 388 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:34,389 happy medium and that's a long time 389 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:36,610 period in space you could not go down to 390 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:39,970 180 and I imagine that if they get a 391 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:41,470 significant amount of funding they will 392 00:17:48,029 --> 00:17:46,450 reduce it from 210 to to 180 but 393 00:17:49,409 --> 00:17:48,039 probably not much below that because at 394 00:17:51,419 --> 00:17:49,419 some point in time you actually have the 395 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:51,429 opportunity to return to earth without 396 00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:54,250 any fuel at all so that looks like a 397 00:17:57,570 --> 00:17:55,870 free return mission which is what the 398 00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:57,580 Polo 13 did when they tried to go to the 399 00:18:00,419 --> 00:17:59,200 moon they want up swinging around the 400 00:18:02,220 --> 00:18:00,429 motive that coming back you can do the 401 00:18:06,029 --> 00:18:02,230 same thing on the way to Mars but only 402 00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:06,039 with certain only with certain transfer 403 00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:08,860 orbits so I'm not sure if the 210 one 404 00:18:13,230 --> 00:18:11,440 that they have planned for 20-22 is 405 00:18:15,330 --> 00:18:13,240 actually going to allow a free return 406 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:15,340 but I think if they get enough funding 407 00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:18,370 then they will build that into the well 408 00:18:23,340 --> 00:18:20,799 build that into vidya apply well that 409 00:18:25,889 --> 00:18:23,350 sounds to me like an attractive option I 410 00:18:28,769 --> 00:18:25,899 think I'd sittin up a space capsule for 411 00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:28,779 that amount of time to swing around Mars 412 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:30,820 and have a good look and then head back 413 00:18:35,340 --> 00:18:33,010 to earth and I emphasize their head back 414 00:18:38,639 --> 00:18:35,350 to earth but of course from what I 415 00:18:41,669 --> 00:18:38,649 understand is this is really a one-way 416 00:18:43,019 --> 00:18:41,679 trip is that right yeah it's it's one my 417 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:43,029 trip I mean it's it's a practical 418 00:18:47,789 --> 00:18:45,610 approach and I agree with the 419 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:47,799 the design it's quite something I 420 00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:51,850 suppose once the the rocket launches off 421 00:18:55,410 --> 00:18:53,440 and you're heading out that it's a bit 422 00:18:59,010 --> 00:18:55,420 late to change your mind then and what 423 00:19:02,340 --> 00:18:59,020 sort of environment what sort of living 424 00:19:05,549 --> 00:19:02,350 conditions would there be an eyesore on 425 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:05,559 route well both I guess I think on the 426 00:19:10,380 --> 00:19:07,090 way there it'll be similar to the 427 00:19:13,230 --> 00:19:10,390 International Space Station I think 428 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:13,240 there will be next to zero gravity so 429 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:15,490 there are options of introducing 430 00:19:20,220 --> 00:19:18,190 artificial gravity by tethering heart of 431 00:19:22,140 --> 00:19:20,230 the rocket that launched the craft by a 432 00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:22,150 cable to the actual craft on what you 433 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:23,919 travel create a centrifugal force which 434 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:26,650 then produces artificial gravity but I 435 00:19:29,310 --> 00:19:27,610 don't think they're going to build that 436 00:19:30,780 --> 00:19:29,320 ends it because it's not necessary 437 00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:30,790 anything that's not necessary is thrown 438 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:33,520 out of the plans apriori so not having 439 00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:36,250 gravity for 210 days is going to have 440 00:19:41,070 --> 00:19:39,190 effects our bodies right that's going to 441 00:19:43,010 --> 00:19:41,080 be crappy but it's more or less the 442 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:43,020 living quarters will be like being in a 443 00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:45,910 relatively small apartment with three of 444 00:19:55,020 --> 00:19:49,980 their very interesting people having 445 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:55,030 relatively leak food to eat um no 446 00:19:59,520 --> 00:19:57,010 showers I'm gonna be very very simple 447 00:20:02,700 --> 00:19:59,530 life and but but that's that's sort of a 448 00:20:04,580 --> 00:20:02,710 necessity once you get to Mars well now 449 00:20:06,750 --> 00:20:04,590 you have the option of actually leaving 450 00:20:09,539 --> 00:20:06,760 your habitats there'll be a bunch of 451 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:09,549 habitats waiting for us on the surface 452 00:20:12,930 --> 00:20:11,110 and then when we get there eventually 453 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:12,940 we'll get towed to that to that region 454 00:20:17,130 --> 00:20:15,250 by some robotic rover he sets the plan 455 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:17,140 in a worst-case scenario I suppose we 456 00:20:21,330 --> 00:20:19,390 would walk then we have the option of 457 00:20:25,470 --> 00:20:21,340 going in and out and in addition to the 458 00:20:29,310 --> 00:20:25,480 to the hard have modules the proposed to 459 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:29,320 in advance inflate some structures which 460 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:31,330 they can then cover with soil to protect 461 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:32,710 from the radiation so forth and these 462 00:20:37,020 --> 00:20:34,570 inflated structures could be rather 463 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:37,030 large and we could use them to grow 464 00:20:46,169 --> 00:20:42,970 plants and to play ping-pong too I mean 465 00:20:48,510 --> 00:20:46,179 to just to just to live really in shorts 466 00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,520 and a t-shirt right it's that'll only be 467 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:50,559 possible indoors on Mars at least for 468 00:20:54,210 --> 00:20:52,809 the next five to ten thousand years well 469 00:20:56,669 --> 00:20:54,220 let's let's take a very minor 470 00:20:59,000 --> 00:20:56,679 consideration into account here what 471 00:21:01,950 --> 00:20:59,010 about oxygen oxygen 472 00:21:03,630 --> 00:21:01,960 can be produced on Mars like breathable 473 00:21:05,610 --> 00:21:03,640 are chillin can be produced on Mars from 474 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:05,620 the from carbon dioxide that's in the 475 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:08,710 atmosphere that will be done in advance 476 00:21:16,110 --> 00:21:11,110 of us going there I think they plan to 477 00:21:17,790 --> 00:21:16,120 have I don't know how many lung capacity 478 00:21:19,620 --> 00:21:17,800 is worth but but is significant I'm out 479 00:21:21,630 --> 00:21:19,630 there so that we could live for a long 480 00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:21,640 time with that that oxygen but you can 481 00:21:25,530 --> 00:21:22,960 continually make it if you have a power 482 00:21:27,540 --> 00:21:25,540 source so solar panels would be enough 483 00:21:29,460 --> 00:21:27,550 even from the from the carbon dioxide 484 00:21:31,620 --> 00:21:29,470 that's in the Martian atmosphere already 485 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:31,630 good heavens it's all been really really 486 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:34,810 well thought out well planned wish I 487 00:21:37,770 --> 00:21:36,250 don't know whether to wish you luck or 488 00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:37,780 not because I quite enjoy your company 489 00:21:43,170 --> 00:21:40,750 with which we were together in the Czech 490 00:21:45,810 --> 00:21:43,180 Republic we had a very good time indeed 491 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:45,820 and what a wonderful festival that was 492 00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:47,890 but i guess i will wish you luck because 493 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:50,350 what a what an incredible thing it would 494 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:53,050 be to be one of the first humans to 495 00:21:59,550 --> 00:21:57,850 reach another planet it I guess it's an 496 00:22:02,790 --> 00:21:59,560 opportunity many people as you say 497 00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:02,800 thousands of people are jumping at yeah 498 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:05,320 i think it's it's it's it's really cool 499 00:22:10,220 --> 00:22:07,450 but I mean again I emphasize I don't I 500 00:22:12,420 --> 00:22:10,230 don't I really don't do this because 501 00:22:13,650 --> 00:22:12,430 because I could be the first or whatever 502 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:13,660 and I want to be the first to see this 503 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:15,730 and all those things are amazing and 504 00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:17,710 when I do my research I get that feeling 505 00:22:20,510 --> 00:22:19,030 once in a while where I see a piece of 506 00:22:23,730 --> 00:22:20,520 data and I'm like I'm my first person 507 00:22:26,340 --> 00:22:23,740 you know probably in history of the 508 00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:26,350 world to realize this truth about 509 00:22:30,690 --> 00:22:27,960 biology and that's that's very exciting 510 00:22:32,490 --> 00:22:30,700 but but really it's more just I just 511 00:22:34,890 --> 00:22:32,500 think it's right it's a proper fit for 512 00:22:36,690 --> 00:22:34,900 me and it's it's it's my responsibility 513 00:22:40,830 --> 00:22:36,700 to do what I can and this is what I 514 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:40,840 think I'm Matt to do so well then bish I 515 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:42,100 really hope you're one of the first 516 00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:46,570 Martians thank you very much well Besh 517 00:22:55,620 --> 00:22:50,080 sob all the best and send back some mush 518 00:22:58,530 --> 00:22:55,630 and rock for me ok send back some ice 519 00:23:01,050 --> 00:22:58,540 and rock yeah that's that's a 520 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:01,060 billion-dollar and ever how are you do 521 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:06,490 it for me won't you of course it low 522 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:15,570 mars-1 will establish human settlement 523 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:20,409 on Mars in 2023 in that year the first 524 00:23:27,779 --> 00:23:24,450 group of four humans will land on Mars 525 00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:27,789 every two years after that another group 526 00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,070 will join the settlement my first 527 00:23:35,419 --> 00:23:31,600 impression was that this is an 528 00:23:39,899 --> 00:23:35,429 extraordinary project by people with 529 00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:39,909 vision imagination but my first reaction 530 00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:42,220 was I think like anyone who will be 531 00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:44,529 confronted in such an idea this will 532 00:23:51,899 --> 00:23:49,080 never work now look listen more closely 533 00:23:54,779 --> 00:23:51,909 this is really something that can be 534 00:23:57,169 --> 00:23:54,789 achieved I think this might become a 535 00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:57,179 most spectacular media event ever 536 00:24:04,019 --> 00:24:01,840 watched by everyone on the globe 1972 537 00:24:09,749 --> 00:24:04,029 was the last time that humans worked on 538 00:24:14,879 --> 00:24:09,759 the moon no human has ever gone as far 539 00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:14,889 as Mars Mars one has designed a mission 540 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:16,840 that is much simpler than previous 541 00:24:22,139 --> 00:24:19,690 designs for Mars missions the most 542 00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:22,149 significant simplification is that the 543 00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:25,000 crew is actually going to stay and live 544 00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:27,039 on Mars with the intention to remain 545 00:24:31,980 --> 00:24:30,190 there for the rest of their lives we 546 00:24:34,110 --> 00:24:31,990 will finance this mission by creating 547 00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:34,120 the biggest media event ever around it 548 00:24:37,499 --> 00:24:35,950 everybody in the world can see 549 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:37,509 everything that will happen in the 550 00:24:45,539 --> 00:24:41,289 preparations endl Mars this is going to 551 00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,549 be media spectacle Big Brother will pale 552 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:47,919 in comparison the whole world will be 553 00:24:54,090 --> 00:24:51,330 watching and experience this journey 554 00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:54,100 mars-1 paid visits to major aerospace 555 00:24:59,460 --> 00:24:57,070 companies around the world in these 556 00:25:02,250 --> 00:24:59,470 meetings they confirm to us that they 557 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:02,260 can supply the required equipment for 558 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:04,450 every component we have at least one 559 00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:07,450 potential supplier all these suppliers 560 00:25:13,290 --> 00:25:09,550 have written letters of interest for 561 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:13,300 Mars one as for financing this is going 562 00:25:18,930 --> 00:25:16,450 to be a private enterprise only private 563 00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:18,940 firms are going to continue it no 564 00:25:25,740 --> 00:25:22,990 political mumbo-jumbo no taxpayers money 565 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:25,750 will be involved only people like myself 566 00:25:31,770 --> 00:25:27,010 and many others who are enthusiastic 567 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:31,780 about the program will contribute this 568 00:25:36,810 --> 00:25:34,870 is the plan in 2016 a communication 569 00:25:41,970 --> 00:25:36,820 satellite and a supply mission will be 570 00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:41,980 sent to Mars in 2018 a large planetary 571 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:44,500 rover will be sent to Mars it will drive 572 00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:46,450 around on Mars to find the best location 573 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:50,950 for the settlement in 2020 living units 574 00:25:57,090 --> 00:25:54,250 life support units a rover and more 575 00:25:59,100 --> 00:25:57,100 supplies will be sent to Mars the 576 00:26:01,890 --> 00:25:59,110 rover's will prepare the settlement for 577 00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:01,900 human arrival they will extract the 578 00:26:07,230 --> 00:26:04,260 inflatable section from the living unit 579 00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:07,240 the life support unit will prepare the 580 00:26:13,050 --> 00:26:07,660 out 581 00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:13,060 post for arrival of the humans the crew 582 00:26:18,450 --> 00:26:16,660 will depart in September 2022 when the 583 00:26:22,050 --> 00:26:18,460 settlement is fully operational and 584 00:26:24,810 --> 00:26:22,060 habitable they will be flying to Mars in 585 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:24,820 a transit habitat with a lander attached 586 00:26:33,030 --> 00:26:30,250 to it seven months later in April 2023 587 00:26:36,030 --> 00:26:33,040 the humans will land on Mars the next 588 00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:36,040 giant leap for mankind this project 589 00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:38,470 seems to be the only way to fulfill 590 00:26:43,740 --> 00:26:40,870 humanity's dream to explore outer space 591 00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:43,750 it is going to be an exciting experiment 592 00:26:51,290 --> 00:26:47,920 let's get started Mars one invites you 593 00:27:26,020 --> 00:26:51,300 to join us in this great adventure for 594 00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,570 hi I'm audit oh yeah Kristen or evil 595 00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:31,200 tips advice on logic lifted off the 596 00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:32,910 skeptic zone um skip the comedian or 597 00:27:36,050 --> 00:27:34,620 again that it's not a blog get upper 598 00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:36,060 bleph or podcast often and against 599 00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,380 capsis driven me you look if I'm ever 600 00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:39,600 doctor is mack center of escape system 601 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:41,640 and loop or hardcover says the deep 602 00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,650 plane or 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00:28:20,800 welcome to a week in science from RI oz 617 00:28:26,350 --> 00:28:23,240 bringing you that science news you need 618 00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:26,360 to know this week in science can comets 619 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:29,780 create life small creatures see in slow 620 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:32,450 mode and can a positive lifestyle make 621 00:28:42,610 --> 00:28:40,610 you live longer maybe just maybe the 622 00:28:45,910 --> 00:28:42,620 building blocks of life were created 623 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:45,920 when comets and planets collided a team 624 00:28:51,490 --> 00:28:48,770 in England fired steel balls into ice 625 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:51,500 that has the same composition as comets 626 00:28:56,380 --> 00:28:54,410 these violent impacts produced amino 627 00:28:58,660 --> 00:28:56,390 acids which are the building blocks of 628 00:29:00,700 --> 00:28:58,670 proteins similar collisions between 629 00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:00,710 comets and planets could have eventually 630 00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:03,590 led to the first sparks of life on Earth 631 00:29:12,150 --> 00:29:08,360 a new study has shown that smaller 632 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:12,160 animals may see the world in slow motion 633 00:29:16,420 --> 00:29:14,690 researchers in Ireland studied a range 634 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:16,430 of animals and measured how quickly 635 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:19,130 their eyes processed light they found 636 00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:21,530 that insects birds and mice see more 637 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:24,230 information in one second than larger 638 00:29:29,950 --> 00:29:26,810 animals meaning they perceive time more 639 00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,960 slowly the researchers even think this 640 00:29:34,570 --> 00:29:32,240 can be used by small animals to send 641 00:29:37,030 --> 00:29:34,580 signals to each other without larger 642 00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:37,040 predators seeing you're listening to a 643 00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:39,470 week in science from our iOS are now 644 00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:43,540 four sides headlines in 30 seconds 645 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:46,310 earwax from whales can be used to 646 00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:48,650 determine their lifetime exposure to 647 00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,840 ocean pollutants making positive 648 00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:53,120 lifestyle changes may increase the 649 00:29:57,850 --> 00:29:55,220 length of telomeres that's the end of 650 00:30:00,580 --> 00:29:57,860 chromosomes that control aging and may 651 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:00,590 delay cell death spanish researchers 652 00:30:04,930 --> 00:30:02,570 have developed the first self-healing 653 00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:04,940 plastic that spontaneously repairs 654 00:30:11,050 --> 00:30:07,580 itself and just like the five taste 655 00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:11,060 categories bittersweet etc we have ten 656 00:30:17,770 --> 00:30:13,790 basic categories of smell one of which 657 00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:17,780 is popcorn the skynet celebrated its 658 00:30:21,790 --> 00:30:19,790 second birthday this week and we're not 659 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:21,800 talking about the system from terminator 660 00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:24,890 the Skynet is a program that uses your 661 00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:26,840 computer during its quiet times to 662 00:30:31,030 --> 00:30:29,750 analyze astronomical data if you want to 663 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:31,040 help astronomers around the 664 00:30:38,020 --> 00:30:33,010 world unlock the secrets of the universe 665 00:30:40,210 --> 00:30:38,030 check out the sky net org that's it for 666 00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:40,220 this a week in science for more 667 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:41,990 information on these and other science 668 00:30:48,730 --> 00:30:44,690 news stories go to the IRS website are I 669 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:48,740 a u.s. orga you follow us on Twitter 670 00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:51,710 using the hashtag week in sy and like us 671 00:31:05,440 --> 00:30:54,260 on facebook i'm paul willis 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Pamela gay what are you a doctor of 682 00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:51,100 again how many letters after your name 683 00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:54,040 are there I have a PhD in astronomy from 684 00:31:58,500 --> 00:31:56,620 the University of Texas and with more 685 00:32:00,810 --> 00:31:58,510 letters I have a Bachelor of Science and 686 00:32:02,850 --> 00:32:00,820 astrophysics and if I don't like someone 687 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:02,860 i say astrophysics but i like you so 688 00:32:06,510 --> 00:32:04,510 i'll say astronomy you've got to be for 689 00:32:08,430 --> 00:32:06,520 the few other scientific doctrines for 690 00:32:09,810 --> 00:32:08,440 example philosophy i guess that's not 691 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:09,820 really a scientific doctrine but you 692 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:11,050 don't like philosophers because they 693 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:13,330 reckon if the Andromeda galaxy falls in 694 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:15,010 a forest and no one sees it's not really 695 00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:17,410 there there's times that philosophers 696 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:20,950 are quite fun like 4am at a pub but when 697 00:32:24,660 --> 00:32:23,170 you're trying to teach science and you 698 00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:24,670 have someone from the back of the room 699 00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:28,480 as as has happened asking so if we were 700 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:30,700 in India what physical laws would we be 701 00:32:34,550 --> 00:32:32,710 learning well physics is the same 702 00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:34,560 everywhere in the world and 703 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:37,060 multiculturalism is very important for 704 00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:39,370 understanding that people from different 705 00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:41,140 cultures all have the same potential to 706 00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,470 learn and discover but that doesn't mean 707 00:32:47,970 --> 00:32:46,240 their science is any better or worse 708 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:47,980 because science is science and it should 709 00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:49,810 be the same for everyone no matter what 710 00:32:53,130 --> 00:32:51,580 their philosophical leanings on a 711 00:32:55,380 --> 00:32:53,140 personal level for someone who can 712 00:32:58,140 --> 00:32:55,390 understand the concept of Planck time as 713 00:32:59,460 --> 00:32:58,150 you can which I find fascinating why 714 00:33:02,610 --> 00:32:59,470 can't you get your head around an Excel 715 00:33:04,650 --> 00:33:02,620 spreadsheet and accounting I can get my 716 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:04,660 head around an Excel spreadsheet and 717 00:33:10,260 --> 00:33:07,510 accounting I just don't like to the 718 00:33:14,010 --> 00:33:10,270 problem is I want to dedicate all my 719 00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:14,020 time to science to learning about our 720 00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:17,200 universe to helping other people be able 721 00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:19,540 to learn and discover and when I'm doing 722 00:33:23,970 --> 00:33:21,670 accounting I have to face the realities 723 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:23,980 that I've pay a nine hundred 724 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:28,330 dollar-a-month server bill and I have to 725 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:30,610 pay taxes that don't even cover the 726 00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:33,130 health insurance of my staff doing 727 00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:36,460 accounting it's time that brings me away 728 00:33:41,940 --> 00:33:39,100 from science and brings me into the 729 00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:41,950 realities that if I want to do science I 730 00:33:45,780 --> 00:33:43,420 have to figure out how to pay that nine 731 00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:45,790 hundred dollar-a-month server bill in an 732 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:47,830 economy that's really suffering right 733 00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:49,810 now you said that in an economy that's 734 00:33:53,370 --> 00:33:51,580 suffering that still has two wars going 735 00:33:54,130 --> 00:33:53,380 on with a possible third one on the side 736 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:54,140 there 737 00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:56,570 funding going to zero for most of the 738 00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,130 science fun during I imagined it was 739 00:34:01,450 --> 00:33:59,840 being reduced but I had no idea a lot of 740 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:01,460 it was going to 0 could you explain that 741 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,170 because non-american listeners might not 742 00:34:07,870 --> 00:34:05,120 know this it's science education in 743 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:07,880 particular that's going to 0 under the 744 00:34:13,149 --> 00:34:10,850 present president's proposed budget the 745 00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:13,159 science education funding at NASA and 746 00:34:18,430 --> 00:34:16,040 many other organizations is being zeroed 747 00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,440 and the money is being redistributed to 748 00:34:23,290 --> 00:34:20,240 the Department of Education which 749 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:23,300 specializes in formal education to the 750 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:25,490 National Science Foundation but only to 751 00:34:31,210 --> 00:34:27,890 do research to the Smithsonian museums 752 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:31,220 to do outreach these institutions don't 753 00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:34,610 have programs in place to ask people to 754 00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:37,460 apply for grants and so programs like 755 00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:39,830 mine and so many others that are paid 756 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:42,470 for out of NASA out of the Department of 757 00:34:46,540 --> 00:34:44,090 Agriculture other the Department of 758 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:46,550 Energy all of our programs are going 759 00:34:52,419 --> 00:34:50,690 away and a lot of very good educators 760 00:34:55,419 --> 00:34:52,429 and scientists are going to lose their 761 00:34:57,550 --> 00:34:55,429 jobs because science and education are 762 00:34:59,950 --> 00:34:57,560 getting completely split and programs 763 00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,960 that combine the two no one knows how to 764 00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:02,240 fund EE annoying because it will also 765 00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:04,340 pit people against each other for what 766 00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,780 little funding there is as well and that 767 00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:07,280 could cause a division within the group 768 00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:09,830 that's already happening it used to be 769 00:35:14,290 --> 00:35:12,740 that the grants i apply for might have 770 00:35:18,130 --> 00:35:14,300 one or two hundred people applying for 771 00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:18,140 maybe 20 or 30 grants now there's fewer 772 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:20,420 dollars being spent fewer grants being 773 00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:22,130 funded and there might be six to eight 774 00:35:26,830 --> 00:35:23,710 hundred different groups applying 775 00:35:31,150 --> 00:35:26,840 layoffs are already starting the money's 776 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:31,160 going away and it's hard I I personally 777 00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:32,390 am very worried I'm going to have to 778 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:34,190 start laying off staff in the new year 779 00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:36,530 and I'm trying everything I can to 780 00:35:41,290 --> 00:35:38,630 prevent that future would something like 781 00:35:43,180 --> 00:35:41,300 the Chinese putting a man on the moon in 782 00:35:45,070 --> 00:35:43,190 2020 spark things up a bit another 783 00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:45,080 Sputnik moment is that what's needed I 784 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:47,990 don't know what what has me concerned is 785 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:51,650 there's a mentality right now of men 786 00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:54,770 we don't care it's all about infighting 787 00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:56,300 between the different political parties 788 00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,210 it's it's people saying we don't need to 789 00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:00,800 do this because of that and we don't 790 00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:03,440 need to do that because of this and thus 791 00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:06,080 nothing getting done and perceived 792 00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:08,900 there's no votes in science I don't 793 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:10,910 think that it's no votes in science I 794 00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,970 actually took time to go up on the hill 795 00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:15,920 in washington and talk to my congressman 796 00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,080 in the state of illinois and they were 797 00:36:22,750 --> 00:36:20,960 all deeply passionate the problem is 798 00:36:25,570 --> 00:36:22,760 that there's now in fighting over who 799 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:25,580 gets what money and at a certain point 800 00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:27,770 it starts to become a dominance fight we 801 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:30,190 are pack animals at our heart and 802 00:36:35,740 --> 00:36:33,650 everyone wants to win and the reality is 803 00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:35,750 the science educators are losing is a 804 00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,390 quick solution if we had queen pamela 805 00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,160 guy in charge of the country what would 806 00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:42,320 be the quick solution the quick solution 807 00:36:47,740 --> 00:36:44,390 to save today is a continuing resolution 808 00:36:50,290 --> 00:36:47,750 that says the US will continue with last 809 00:36:53,710 --> 00:36:50,300 year's budget into the future beyond 810 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:53,720 that the long-term solution is we need 811 00:36:58,180 --> 00:36:56,570 people to understand that science and 812 00:37:00,820 --> 00:36:58,190 science education need to happen 813 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:00,830 hand-in-hand that the department of 814 00:37:06,670 --> 00:37:03,170 education is very good for making sure 815 00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:06,680 that we have consistent education across 816 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:08,750 the united states but if you want 817 00:37:12,610 --> 00:37:10,610 today's cutting-edge science to be in 818 00:37:14,410 --> 00:37:12,620 tomorrow's classroom you need the 819 00:37:16,990 --> 00:37:14,420 science educators working with the 820 00:37:18,730 --> 00:37:17,000 scientists have you had time to notice 821 00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:18,740 the state of science education here in 822 00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:20,390 australia or people spoken to you about 823 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:22,190 it at all i know from working with 824 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:23,930 people at Swinburne University of 825 00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:26,930 Technology especially their astrophysics 826 00:37:32,140 --> 00:37:29,230 and super computing facility that 827 00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,150 astronomy here is still reasonably well 828 00:37:35,590 --> 00:37:33,920 funded this is one of the few places 829 00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:35,600 that in many ways is giving the 830 00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:37,910 opportunity to grow we have a big sky 831 00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:40,910 you have a big dark sky it's dark both 832 00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:44,510 light and in radio waves and you also 833 00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:47,960 have an education system that like ours 834 00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:51,110 is troubled in many ways but by and 835 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:53,870 large people are still trying to learn 836 00:37:57,850 --> 00:37:56,690 what science really is you stated it 837 00:37:59,950 --> 00:37:57,860 there when you're talking earlier 838 00:38:01,970 --> 00:37:59,960 Voyager has left the building it's 839 00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,980 actually left the solar system and its 840 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:03,480 ten thousand miles an hour to travelling 841 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:05,250 at is that right it's outside of the 842 00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:08,010 solar system it's carrying a record on 843 00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:10,380 it that contains the sound of a human 844 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:13,140 heartbeat and rubbery and chuck berry 845 00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:14,850 but what I love is that human heartbeat 846 00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:16,470 is well someone's thinking of the 847 00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:20,040 concept of love and so someone's beating 848 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:21,960 heart filled with love has left our 849 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:24,090 solar system is it near the Oak cloud 850 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:27,690 it's outside of the solar system so so 851 00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:29,609 it's the New Horizons mission that it's 852 00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:31,980 on its way to the Kuiper belt so it's 853 00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,230 even so it's actually passed the Oort 854 00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:37,440 cloud so I be confused the Oort cloud is 855 00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:39,510 ill-defined and no one can exactly say 856 00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:41,940 where it is except that the aliens from 857 00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,859 Independence Day that was when we first 858 00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:45,359 saw them when they came out of the Oort 859 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:50,640 cloud yes but as a scientist we've only 860 00:38:55,940 --> 00:38:53,250 detected one possible Oort cloud object 861 00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:55,950 and that's the objects Edna all the rest 862 00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:57,540 of our understandings of the Oort cloud 863 00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:00,540 come from mathematical modeling so we 864 00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:02,100 have good reason to believe it's there 865 00:39:07,070 --> 00:39:05,369 it explains comets very well but I don't 866 00:39:09,140 --> 00:39:07,080 feel comfortable saying that we've 867 00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,150 definitely gone all the way past all the 868 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:11,040 rogue pieces of ice that might be 869 00:39:15,590 --> 00:39:13,530 orbiting our solar system but in terms 870 00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:15,600 of how we measure our solar system based 871 00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:18,660 on the Sun pushing out on the material 872 00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:21,900 around our solar system Voyager has left 873 00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:23,880 the building before at launch left the 874 00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:26,310 atmosphere left the planets left the 875 00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:28,590 solar system I want to ask you about an 876 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:30,390 object that I am fascinated by and 877 00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:32,010 that's the North Pole of Neptune the 878 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,780 square object that keeps turning up 879 00:39:38,540 --> 00:39:35,760 there and not turning up there can it 880 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:38,550 possibly be an alien artifact now well 881 00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:39,930 that was an easy question thank you very 882 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:42,060 much dr. Pamela gay thank you so much 883 00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:44,130 for having me on 884 00:39:46,940 --> 00:39:45,660 but we are having a night about 885 00:39:48,140 --> 00:39:46,950 astronomy tonight is there anything 886 00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:48,150 you're particularly looking interested 887 00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:49,980 to hearing about tonight about astronomy 888 00:39:54,590 --> 00:39:53,070 I just like to know that's everything 889 00:39:57,590 --> 00:39:54,600 Pamela learned the university was wrong 890 00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,600 oh yeah because she says her stuff now 891 00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,520 and well is that because it was a while 892 00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:01,200 ago and everything's changed I thought 893 00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:02,880 it'd you settled I think it's like 20 894 00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:05,700 years ago wow so you a fan of the 895 00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:07,950 podcast I am and what are you here for 896 00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:10,800 tonight astronomy wise um I just come to 897 00:40:15,470 --> 00:40:13,110 hopefully meet Pamela and he what she's 898 00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,480 good to say and you're a fan of her 899 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:18,000 blogging and her podcast um oh 900 00:40:22,340 --> 00:40:20,010 definitely a podcast are only found 901 00:40:25,850 --> 00:40:22,350 skeptics skepticism through where I'm 902 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:25,860 astronomy car so yeah so did they say 903 00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:27,810 something or do they lead you the path 904 00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:29,640 of thinking critical thinking how did 905 00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:31,110 you get into it through the podcast I 906 00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:32,520 think they might have had Steve on the 907 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:34,020 show or maybe just talked about it I 908 00:40:37,370 --> 00:40:35,130 can't quite remember but I remember 909 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:37,380 definitely then going and finding 910 00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:39,930 skeptics guide and yeah finding 911 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:41,820 everything else from there and actually 912 00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:43,410 what are your favorite skeptical 913 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:45,540 podcasts or is it everyone has a 914 00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:47,010 slightly different list I've only just 915 00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:48,990 recently discovered a skeptic to the k 916 00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:51,750 out of Liverpool funny guys yep yep um 917 00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:54,390 incredulity very funny as well same guys 918 00:40:59,240 --> 00:40:56,940 yeah um and the questions on that are so 919 00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:59,250 tough sometimes aren't they yes well I 920 00:41:03,590 --> 00:41:01,140 think they might get a little bit of a 921 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:03,600 heads up on that because we've got a ran 922 00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:04,890 down there on the floor with the big 923 00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:06,630 skeptics t-shirt giveaway have you been 924 00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,340 getting a teacher for yourself I have a 925 00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:10,680 few now what colors have you gone with 926 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:13,140 light blue black and I'm hoping to get 927 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:13,920 one of the blue ones over there 928 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:16,170 Christmas gifts the family is it all for 929 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:18,090 me oh you're not dressed unless you're 930 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:19,410 wearing a skeptical t-shirt I've always 931 00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:22,170 said that Sheriff true Reggie and she 932 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:24,630 got just got to X for once most of this 933 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:26,010 stuff has come from your attic what have 934 00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:28,530 you got in your attic I'd rather not 935 00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:30,510 talk about it police my police might do 936 00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:32,100 something about anything if I say too 937 00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:34,350 much you're the cat weasel of skeptical 938 00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:35,550 clothing 939 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:38,430 actually I think it's uh what much what 940 00:41:42,980 --> 00:41:41,370 a cat weasel is but I've got I'm sorry 941 00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:42,990 we're gonna he a very dodgy wrestler 942 00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,390 that's correct right yes because I was 943 00:41:48,110 --> 00:41:46,800 thinking a cat weasel would actually be 944 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:48,120 good thing because i actually have rats 945 00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:51,090 they're roaming around between the two 946 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:53,190 monsters only these t-shirts retinoid 947 00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:56,490 nope Oh rat looped and nope they've 948 00:41:59,720 --> 00:41:58,170 major they've been well isolated from 949 00:42:02,360 --> 00:41:59,730 the right okay we've been talking to a 950 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:02,370 rounder ectomy basement now sir lineup 951 00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:03,930 you want some t-shirts do thank you may 952 00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:06,510 nod I'm going to go for my second round 953 00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:08,910 of Tam t-shirt what are you using them 954 00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:11,310 as tea towels or something no no no I'm 955 00:42:15,110 --> 00:42:13,350 just a sham the fact that I wasn't a tab 956 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:15,120 well that's right did you can wear it 957 00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:16,610 and go y'all was there it was fantastic 958 00:42:34,339 --> 00:42:32,329 hey fellow skeptics I'm Trent's the 959 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:34,349 co-host of a podcast called seeds of 960 00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:36,690 doubt and creative a new project called 961 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:48,309 Dropbox is dedicated to providing new 962 00:42:52,930 --> 00:42:51,050 music for your radio show or podcast and 963 00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:52,940 to help support your cause through the 964 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:55,369 sound waves the song you're listening to 965 00:43:00,730 --> 00:42:57,770 is called keep looking up and can be 966 00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:00,740 heard on the podcast oddments by college 967 00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:11,870 they need some new music check me out 968 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:16,400 facebook.com slash Dropbox that's gr 0 p 969 00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:35,359 you will stars 4 sep tember 2013 with 970 00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:39,680 our stralla jure doctor do earth ekav 971 00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:42,900 areas flying around the world backwards 972 00:43:47,660 --> 00:43:45,420 through the International Date Line does 973 00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:47,670 wonders for your astrology if you play 974 00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:49,049 your cards right you can have two 975 00:43:55,249 --> 00:43:52,380 birthdays or none at all if this applies 976 00:43:59,150 --> 00:43:55,259 to you read this twice or ignore it 977 00:44:01,759 --> 00:43:59,160 altogether Gemini my dentist always 978 00:44:04,489 --> 00:44:01,769 works by the stars in fact he works 979 00:44:07,339 --> 00:44:04,499 outside at night this can make for some 980 00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:07,349 interesting and unexpected fillings and 981 00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:10,710 extractions you're lucky teeth are the 982 00:44:18,279 --> 00:44:15,359 ones still in your head cancer are you a 983 00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:18,289 one-trick pony maybe you're just an ass 984 00:44:24,019 --> 00:44:21,390 in any case your stars tell me you just 985 00:44:30,049 --> 00:44:24,029 watch everything up for a more positive 986 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:30,059 reading send 4999 to my p.o box Leo be 987 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:32,130 careful walking outside today as it'll 988 00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:34,529 be raining cats and dogs if you step in 989 00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:38,400 a poodle oh hang on sorry I was reading 990 00:44:46,579 --> 00:44:41,880 my joke book from 1965 still makes about 991 00:44:49,099 --> 00:44:46,589 as much sense as astrology Virgo never 992 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:49,109 air your dirty laundry in public unless 993 00:44:54,049 --> 00:44:51,450 you want people to giggle at your undies 994 00:44:56,209 --> 00:44:54,059 cover your bases in your backside and 995 00:45:00,079 --> 00:44:56,219 for that you'll need your undies which 996 00:45:03,170 --> 00:45:00,089 should be clean by now libera drinking 997 00:45:06,579 --> 00:45:03,180 to forget never works I remember the 998 00:45:10,569 --> 00:45:06,589 time I drank to forget about the the 999 00:45:13,949 --> 00:45:10,579 well whatever it was it didn't work also 1000 00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:13,959 drinking to forget never works 1001 00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:17,569 Scorpio if other people can hear the 1002 00:45:21,579 --> 00:45:19,430 ringing in your head you're in more 1003 00:45:24,489 --> 00:45:21,589 trouble than you thought keep your 1004 00:45:28,749 --> 00:45:24,499 friends close and your enemies very very 1005 00:45:30,609 --> 00:45:28,759 far away Arthur UKISS this week you'll 1006 00:45:33,969 --> 00:45:30,619 see eye-to-eye with people of your own 1007 00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:33,979 height i wonderful here ear to ear at 1008 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:38,569 the same time Sagittarius Mars is in 1009 00:45:45,269 --> 00:45:41,650 your seventh house you have seven houses 1010 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:45,279 you have a house big enough for a planet 1011 00:45:50,859 --> 00:45:48,410 Capricorn take a deep breath but make 1012 00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,869 sure it's your own people born in your 1013 00:45:55,289 --> 00:45:52,640 star sign are known for their heavy 1014 00:45:58,420 --> 00:45:55,299 breathing especially after running 1015 00:46:00,219 --> 00:45:58,430 Aquarius the stars are unclear for you 1016 00:46:03,069 --> 00:46:00,229 this month going to the interference 1017 00:46:05,410 --> 00:46:03,079 from Reiki energy please use your aura 1018 00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:05,420 or something else to contact your 1019 00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:10,640 spirits gin is a nice spirit Pisces if a 1020 00:46:16,479 --> 00:46:13,880 tabby cat crosses 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